THE ANNA NICOLE SMITH SAGA THROUGH
ROSE-COLORED
GLASSES
By Einy & Kerry
I was sipping my coffee and reading my morning paper the other day, when I came across a statement that tried to equate a "BDSM" lifestyle with Christian Religious Practices. For those who don’t know, "BDSM" comes from the terms bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism. [1] Needless to say I was shocked that this "lifestyle choice" was now being link to Christian Religion and, one could surmise, to the Bible itself. The writer further suggested that to criticize this type of relationship was analogous to an attack on Christianity itself (or at least her version of it). It didn't take long to ascertain that I wasn't the only one who felt disturbed and angered by those comments.
After much discussion we decided to try and explain why we were so appalled by this statement and many others that had made prior to it. But, before explaining why we find this so offensive, we would like to make clear that all the accusations leveled at anyone not Pro-Stern as being anti- _______ (fill in the blank) are utter rubbish. We could care less what two consenting adults (male or female – married or single – gay or straight) do in the privacy of his or her bedroom. That was not what was being advocated (a private sexual matter between two consenting adults) – rather it was a lifestyle choice in which one person submits to the dominance and control of another in all areas of his or her life. To then suggest that this type of relationship is somehow in keeping with Christian tenants, will frankly that didn't sit well with many of us. It, like so much of this Saga, is simply another form of Misogyny or an underlying hatred of women. [2]
It doesn't take long to list just a few examples of this theme.
1. The total vilification of Mrs. Arthur, with an emphasis on her physical
appearance.
2. Art Harris’ response(s) to women posters on his site
3. References to "pimpn' out" Anna Nicole Smith
4. The exploitation of women and children for financial gain.
5. Bonnie Stern invitation to women to become "chocolate whores".
(This is a derogatory reference to women, no matter who utters it. [3] )
6. Accusations of the exchange of sexual acts for money and favors.
7. Issues of control either both physically and emotionally and the use of drugs to
achieve this desired result.
8. The whole "Anna Nicole Smith" reality series
6. Accusations of the exchange of sexual acts for money and favors.
7. Issues of control either both physically and emotionally and the use of drugs to
achieve this desired result.
8. The whole "Anna Nicole Smith" reality series
Well, you get the drift. BamaCat put up an article concerning this whole subject, effectively using humor to demonstrate how ludicrous this equation was. Now at the risk of boring everyone to tears, we would like to explain why this disturbs us from a feminist, Christian and most importantly a mother’s point of view.
AS WOMEN AND FEMINISTS
Women have struggled and fought for equality during our lifetimes. It was only as recently as the 1960’s that many of the rights we now enjoy as women were finally codified into law. We are reminded of the hard fought battles for "The Equal Pay Act" "Title VII of the Civil Rights Act" the establishment of the "Equal Employment Opportunity Commission". [4] In recent years we have advocated for tougher laws against sexual harassment in the workplace, family leave and other important issues concerning women and families. Though much progress has been made women still face obstacles in the workplace and elsewhere based on gender alone.
In addition to workplace inequality, violence affects millions of our sisters worldwide. It knows no racial, socio-economic, geographical, cultural or religious barriers. In a statement to the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in September 1995, the United Nations Secretary-General, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, said that violence against women is a universal problem that must be universally condemned. But he said, that the problem continues to grow. In the Platform for Action, the core document of the Beijing Conference, Governments declared that "violence against women constitutes a violation of basic human rights and is an obstacle to the achievement of the objectives of equality, development and peace". The Declaration provides a definition of gender-based abuse, calling it "any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life". [5]
Here in the United States, murder is the leading cause of death in pregnant women. [6]
Over two-thirds of violent victimizations against women were committed by someone known to them.
- Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or
sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives.
- Each year, medical expenses from domestic violence total at least $3 to $5
billion. Businesses forfeit another $100 million in lost wages, sick leave,
absenteeism and non-productivity.
- Violence is the reason stated for divorce in 22% of middle-class marriages.
- Every year, domestic violence results in almost 100,000 days of hospitalizations,
almost 30,000 emergency department visits, and almost 40,000 visits to
physicians.
- Studies by the Surgeon Generals office reveal that domestic violence is the
leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44.
- In 92% of all domestic violence incidents, crimes are committed by men against
women.
- Of women who reported being raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of
18, 76% were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, date or boyfriend.
- Forty percent of teenage girls age 14 to 17, report knowing someone their age
who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend.
- The majority of welfare recipients have experienced domestic abuse in their
adult lives and a high percentage are currently being abused. [7]
- Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or
sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives.
- Each year, medical expenses from domestic violence total at least $3 to $5
billion. Businesses forfeit another $100 million in lost wages, sick leave,
absenteeism and non-productivity.
- Violence is the reason stated for divorce in 22% of middle-class marriages.
- Every year, domestic violence results in almost 100,000 days of hospitalizations,
almost 30,000 emergency department visits, and almost 40,000 visits to
physicians.
- Studies by the Surgeon Generals office reveal that domestic violence is the
leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44.
- In 92% of all domestic violence incidents, crimes are committed by men against
women.
- Of women who reported being raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of
18, 76% were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, date or boyfriend.
- Forty percent of teenage girls age 14 to 17, report knowing someone their age
who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend.
- The majority of welfare recipients have experienced domestic abuse in their
adult lives and a high percentage are currently being abused. [7]
Now we know the argument is going to be the issue of consent and gender neutrality. But is it only a coincidence that these women have publicly stated that they were previously involved in an abusive relationship? That the submissive partner is this "lifestyle choice" is the women while the man is the "Master"? That verbal, emotional and physical abuse is administered by the man to the women?
We have laws that define "consent" and we would argue that in many of these cases the issue of consent is moot given the power structure of society and the emotional and psychological make-up of the women involved in these relationships. As women we are bothered because we believe that the BDSM lifestyle eroticses power and violence and the notion of "consenting to bodily injury, humiliation and slavery" reinforces misogyny.
AS CHRISTIANS
We are going to make the assumption that those who state that it is "their religious belief" that a women must submit her will to that of her husband mistakenly believes that the Bible directs them to behave this way. We could argue all day as to the definition of "Submit", and as Christians it is a basic tenant of our faith that we do indeed "submit" ourselves to the will of Christ and our Heavenly Father. Instead of going down the false road of what exactly submission between men and women encompass, we contend that the Bible postulates the exact opposite type of relationship between the sexes. We believe that both men and women were created equal in God’s own image and that Jesus Christ reinforced this special relationship between God and mankind (both men and women)
The Bible states that God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1:27-28) It is clear that according to the Bible: God created men and women as equal. The woman was not created inferior to the man; nor was the man greater than the woman. God granted both dominions over the earth.
It is only when sin entered the human race, that men and women became separated from God. One of the consequences of separation and its subsequent distortion of "The Divine Orders" was that men began to rule over women (Genesis 3:16). [8]
There is no doubt the organized religion has not treated women kindly. History is replete with examples of this "distortion" of God(s) will. For the most part, women were treated as "lesser than" in both the religion and the culture in which it flourished.
That is, until Jesus Christ through his ministry on earth and the establishment of the church in his name, forever elevated the role of women and corrected the deviation by man from God’s original intent. Ancient prophecy was fulfilled when the Spirit of God was given equally to men and women at Pentecost (Acts 2:17).
Christ overthrew many centuries of Jewish law and custom. He consistently treated women and men as equals. He violated numerous Old Testament regulations, which specified gender inequality. He refused to follow the behavioral rules established by the three main Jewish religious groups of the day: the Essenes, Pharisees and Sadducee's. "The actions of Jesus of Nazareth towards women were therefore revolutionary." [9]
Some examples from the New Testament of this equality based approach are:
- Jesus performed his First Miracle after a plea from his mother
(John 2:1-11).
- Jesus first declared himself as Messiah to a woman
- Jesus first declared himself as Messiah to a woman
(John 4:25- 26).
- Jesus’ greatest miracle was performed at the request of women, raising Lazarus from the dead
- Jesus’ greatest miracle was performed at the request of women, raising Lazarus from the dead
(John 11:1-44).
- Women were included in His group of disciples and even into his into his inner circle.
- Women were included in His group of disciples and even into his into his inner circle.
(Mark 15:41; Luke 8:1-3).
- It was the women who stayed with Him throughout His crucifixion, even after the men had fled out of fear. (Matthew 27:55-56; Mark 15:40-41).
- It was Women who observed His burial
- It was the women who stayed with Him throughout His crucifixion, even after the men had fled out of fear. (Matthew 27:55-56; Mark 15:40-41).
- It was Women who observed His burial
(Matthew 27:61).
- After His resurrection, Jesus chose to appear first to a woman.
- After His resurrection, Jesus chose to appear first to a woman.
(John 20:1- 16).
- He commissioned women as the very first evangelists and women were included in the group of disciples who met daily after his ascension.
- He commissioned women as the very first evangelists and women were included in the group of disciples who met daily after his ascension.
(Matthew 28:1- 10; John 20:17; Acts 1:14).
- Women were among the very first Christians so much so that the first church in Europe was established by women and met to worship and pray in the home of a women. At least one early Christian church was co-led by a women.
- Women were among the very first Christians so much so that the first church in Europe was established by women and met to worship and pray in the home of a women. At least one early Christian church was co-led by a women.
(Acts 5:14; Acts 8:12; 17:4, 12; Acts 16:13-15; 1 Corinthians 16:19).
- Despite ritual impurity laws Jesus talked to foreign women, cured one who
suffered for menstrual bleeding and taught women students.
- Despite ritual impurity laws Jesus talked to foreign women, cured one who
suffered for menstrual bleeding and taught women students.
(Mark 5:25-34; John 4:7 to 5:30; 15:22-28; Luke 10:38-42)
- Jesus use language to express the equality between men and women. In preaching his ministry Jesus told parallel male/female stories.
- Jesus use language to express the equality between men and women. In preaching his ministry Jesus told parallel male/female stories.
(Luke 13:16; Luke 7:35 to 8:50; Luke 2:25-38; Luke 4:25-38; Acts 5:1-11; Acts 17:34; Acts 16:14-34)
Which bring us to Matthew 28:1-7, in which it is clearly written that women (Magdalene and the other Mary) received as humans from Christ Divine the first apostolic commission when there were told to "tell the good news of the resurrection to the other disciples." Thus, the two Marys were the first apostles of Christ and his Church. After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."
The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies comments: "Mary Magdalene is mentioned in the Gospels as being among the women of Galilee who followed Jesus and His disciples. She was present at His Crucifixion and Burial, and went to the tomb on Easter Sunday to anoint His body. She was the first to see the Risen Lord, and to announce His Resurrection to the apostles. Accordingly, she is referred to in early Christian writings as 'the apostle to the apostles'." [10]
It is clear that the new covenant established by Jesus during his ministry on earth and afterwards through his Divine Intervention overthrew the historical hierarchical position that men should "rule" over women. Or as Galatians 3:38 clearly states: `There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus' . One does not represent the other."
As Christians our faith teaches us that we should conduct our private and public lives as equal in Christ.
As Mothers
In this year (2008) when the first woman presidential candidate and the first African-American presidential candidate have a realistic chance at gaining the White House, we too are reminded of Martin Luther King’s plea to the nation of "the fierce urgency of Now." Along with his vision of what our country and our society can,
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; [11] ‘and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.’ [12]
Lois Rechitt, the chairwomen of NOW’s Committee on Violence against women recently stated, "The overall issue is that men have so much more power than women, physically, politically and economically. In the vast majority of cases, it's men who use violence, against men or against women, to solve problems. That is a result of our society and how we raise our kids, and that's what we need to address." [13]
Despite Martin Luther King Jr’s dream and the progress that has been made toward gender neutrality in this country, the reality for our daughters today is:
- Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence.
That's approximately 1,400 women a year. This is greater than of total number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.
-The most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races
and classes are battered each year.
- Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of
rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once. [14]
Those are the statistics and the reality of the world in which we have to raise both our sons and our daughters. Given that, is it any surprise that we are deeply concerned about any thing that glamorizes, justifies, normalizes, or sexualizes the maltreatment of women and somehow characterizes women as subordinates to men and objects for their violence, control or lust?
We believe that combating violence and inequality directed towards women requires us as Women, Christians and Mothers to continually challenge how gender roles and power relationships are expressed in all areas of society. We must raise both our sons and daughters to view men and women as equal partners in life neither one holding dominion over the other. We believe that the true loving relationship that God grants to each of us comes from a position of partnership not control. Those that advocate this way of life as somehow being "acceptable" and/or in keeping with Christian Doctrine are the antithesis of what we are trying to teach our children. We do not want our daughters to be taught that it is acceptable for them to be "collared". Nor do we want our sons to believe that by the mere circumstance of their gender that they have the right to "collar" a women.
It’s that simple and that complex.
[1] Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM
Categories: Spoken articles BDSM Sexual orientation and identity LGBT culture Subcultures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM
Retrieved on May, 17. 2008
[3] whore. (2008). In Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
Retrieved May 17, 2008,
from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore
[4] http://www.infoplease.com/spot/womenstimeline1.html
Timeline of Key Events in the American Women's Rights Movement
by Ann-Marie Imbornoni
[5] http://www.un.org/rights/dpi1772e.htm
Women and Violence
[6] Murder: The Leading Cause of Death for Pregnant Women
April 23, 2003 By Kim Curtis, Associated Press Writer http://www.now.org/issues/violence/043003pregnant.html
[7] An Abuse, Rape and Domestic Violence Aid and Resource Collection
http://www.aardvarc.org/dv/statistics.shtml
Commonly Used Domestic Violence Citations
From the U.S. Dept. of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Violence against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report, January 1994"
From the U.S. Dept. of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Violence against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report, January 1994"
[8] Bible Crystal Clear on Male-Female Equality
Anne Graham Lotzhttp://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2007/01/biblical_record_is_clear_god_c.html
[9] Women's roles in the Bible
The status of women in the Christian Gospels
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm
[10] "Saint Mary Magdalene: 'The Apostle to the Apostles',
" The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies,
at: http://www.thenazareneway.com
" The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies,
at: http://www.thenazareneway.com
[11] Martin Luther King, Jr.
"I Have a Dream"
delivered 28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm
[12] Isaiah 40:4-5 (King James Version of the Holy Bible). Quotation marks are excluded from part of this moment in the text because King's rendering of Isaiah 40:4 does not precisely follow the KJV version from which he quotes (e.g., "hill" and "mountain" are reversed in the KJV). King's rendering of Isaiah 40:5, however, is precisely quoted from the KJV.
[13] The New York Times
By TAMAR LEWIN
Published: January 17, 1991
2008 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5D61130F934A25752C0A967958260
Violence Against Women in the United States
63 comments:
Thank You so much for writing this. I have 2 daughters and would never want them to have a man control them. I was outraged when I heard that this life style was compared to Christianity.
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Bravo!!!!
TROTS
I hope this article Burns her ass more than the whip.
great writing and great insight.
Job well Done.
Another great aricle Red!
They are PIGS great big PIGS and I am sick of them writing about others when they should go look in the mirror. They are experts on everything the law, the prescriptions, the Horizons. They are looney bird PIGS! That Lauren needs to borrow one of Rose's muzzles. That a-hole is a know it all.
Thank you for writing this.. I was very offended by Rose's words, she not only offended me, but I feel she offended my religion.
I looks like she also tried to offended Mr. McCabe and his intelligence. Not a very smart thing to do..
RS
Powerful presentation! I salute the authors for writing it and Red for the posting. I want this for my personal files to send out to friends. Thanks again.
passing thru
I hate that pshyco bitch Lauren too. What a big mouth.
KUDOS go to EINY & KERRY !
awesome job Ladies.
(all I did was put it together here)
We will do an additional story with the archives of a true rose.
Several of the pages are missing now from the LINKS, good thing we saved them as files and have screenshots of certain things.
THANK YOU EINY and KERRY.
I love the article! Great Job Einey, Kerry, and thanks to Red for printing it!
I only have one small problem...
Gee, I have always thought women were slightly superior! LOL!
I am beginning to think that there is a lot more that has been going on behind the scenes with this strange group of people. I hope that they are all investigated. I don't think that is a rose I smell; I think I smell a rat!
With those guys
up is down
down is up
left is right
I think the whole porn links need to be investigated by professionals.
There is much more to this story.
what a post! Kerry and Einy, I would vote for YOU as President and Vice President if you were running!
You've said absolutely everything that can be said regarding the abomination that BDSM is to women.
And backed it up by words from our most Holy Book.
And Red, thanks for posting it here! I'm so very proud to be associated with all of you!
Thanks for the great article. I was offended as well that she chose to ask if McCabe was attacking her for NOT being an atheist.
Is she trying to say that people are atheists that don't practice that form of 'head of household'?
Was was the real purpose of her using that word??? Did you notice how she worded that comment? moo
Excellent ladies! Mee
Great job and well said. Who does that woman think she is to say this is a religion and if McCabe does not agree with her he is wrong! Newsflash Rose, YOU ARE WRONG! Keep your sex life to yourself!
Thank You Girls very well written!
Red, This site Rocks and ia a great place to come for the truth!
glad you got screen shots!
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
To: Einy, Kerry and Red
All I have to say is Bravo!
Standing Ovation!!
Womans Right Movement!
What is wrong with those woman over there? Do they have no morals or are they so insecure!
Well Carole we are considering a Bama Biddies video.
einy
Written so beautifully and I am proud to be amoung all of you.
Please stay strong and Virgie is lucky to have you as a group on her side.
I am proud of the three of you too. This is a very intellegent response to what has been bothering us. I hope someone gets to figure out that myspace on Virgie. Those woman are hypocrites over there.
Aaaaahhhhh, another response to FILTH with FACTS.
I was very relieved to see that there are back ups of the disturbing things that nelda has done..........
Those will be very important..."for character"
Love you ladies and soooo proud to know you, appreciate all of your work
Excellent writing Einy and Kerry!
I agree with the person that said something smells and it ain't roses!
There is a connection, I believe, between Bonnie/Howard and Rose that goes back before this even started. I also think Erosevitch is connected too. Time will tell. I hope Havana knows more.
We all know there's a reason why they are desperate to have their subpoenas quashed. If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn't be trying to hide it! LOL
I believe there was a reason for Rose shutting down her site for "maintenance" in the winter. It will be interesting to see what she and her cohorts have done to their computers. LOL
Love this paragraph below and I say you're damn right we don't!
"We do not want our daughters to be taught that it is acceptable for them to be "collared". Nor do we want our sons to believe that by the mere circumstance of their gender that they have the right to "collar" a women.
It’s that simple and that complex."
It is just that simple....thanks to both of you again for writing what we've all been feeling and for writing it so well and thanks to Trixie for putting it up on her site.
:)
Thangs
I believe they are nuts. LOL
Way tooooooo much cool aid.
I don't have hope of them seeing the light if they can do as rose says and look at a true rose, and not see anything wrong....
Turnabout is fairplay, can't wait to see what you wonderful ladies will do next............
Wow! Thank you for putting something like this together. IMO it is a well written and thought out article. I must say I was taken aback and took great offense when Rose claimed to be a Christian all the while stating that she equates her "lifestyle" as her religion and her religious belief. I am a Christian and I did not take kindly to her reference whereby those who do not practice or partake in "her lifestyle" are atheists. She obviously does not even know the meaning of the word. IMO she has definitely crossed the line one more time. I don't think my God is too pleased with her using his name and his teachings and putting such an interpretation on them as to use them as an excuse for her lifestyle.
Excellent article ladies! Pathetic that anyone would bring God or religion into this case and use it as a defense. No judge will be fooled by that spin.
First we have the "entertainment site" not being anything but a Howard fan club site for almost a year, until March 5th 2008, after the lawsuit papers were filed.
Then denial that Nelda and Bonnie Stern had ever spoke before. Now we have that a sick and demented lifestyle is an actual religion when its a perverted and disgusting way of life.
Add to that. Statements saying that if the man is not head of the household, its atheist?
Its not a religion. It will never be a religion. It only has to do with degradation of mostly woman for sexual gratification. There are some men subs but again, that had nothing to do with God and I envision God throwing lightning bolts at these people for trying to desecrate his name.
I'm surprise that they don't catch on fire while they type.
Got my paper's extra edition tonight and I think I am going to have nightmares involving motorcycles, whips and castles.
Sorry but those ladies really need a group discount on therapy.
Anyone connecting Bonnie and Rose previous to this via the adult industry wins a steak dinner and a bottle of champagne from the rest of us.
Thank you Einy & Kerry for the wonderful article. Thank you also for posting it Red.
I am appalled that the Sternies think that the rest of the world is as ignorant as they all seem to be.
It is disgusting that the atruerose site archives are being spoonfeed as "art" to Roses followers. Those women need to do a little investgating & see for themselves what her sites are truly about.
That FBI article "RoseSpanks" I believe it was brought up on Topix says a whole lot about her raunchy past.
I agree w/ what someone also said about she doesn't want her groupies to go elsewhere so they remain sheltered from what might possibly be out there about her lies in involvements on many things.
If she lied to them about her websites what else is she lying to them about?
BTW I have a new article up w/ new pics of Dannielynn as well as a funny one of Larry.
That's just it Bama. That site has all the 'followers' scared to click on any other links than stuff sirect from her site.
They can't go on any of the links we have shown them, they are scared, they are brainwashed about viruses, site meters, and isp. LOL
Love you guys for the truth. I hope and pray that this article reaches the BDSM site. I cannot believe some of the horrible things that the women go through with is cultish thoughts. The FDL is doing the same to their women. I admire Virgie Arthur and I think she is beautiful and smart. Dee
There is a club in the bay area called the Power Exchange (sound familiar??)............I think as often as once a month they have SLAVE AUCTIONS...........where they buy and sell their slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMFG!!!!!!!!
This is off topic but I do read Topix and not post.
The Meanie with the monikers a thousand is Flowerz. She has said the same things on both boards regarding her health and using the ,,,,. Now if Rose's site is a celebrity blog then WHY would you need to donate as Flowerz suggested? That is also J posting with the Dallas proxy software. I can recognize her anywhere. She still hasn't understood how those check signatures were found. geesh!
I don't buy the whole brainwashing arguement, sorry but these are adult women who certainly have the capacity to goggle just like the rest of us. So unless you can prove that they are really "retarded" then I have so sympathy for any of them.
Anonymous said...
I don't buy the whole brainwashing arguement, sorry but these are adult women who certainly have the capacity to goggle just like the rest of us. So unless you can prove that they are really "retarded" then I have so sympathy for any of them.
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You are so right. Could their ignorance be feined because they have the same lifestyle?
TROTS
hey red isn't his the same thing you are talking about in your article
" They are PIGS great big PIGS and I am sick of them writing about others when they should go look in the mirror. They are experts on everything the law, the prescriptions, the Horizons. They are looney bird PIGS! That Lauren needs to borrow one of Rose's muzzles. That a-hole is a know it all.
Monday, May 19, 2008 3:51:00 PM CDT
They are ignorant because they like to be ignorant. It's easy.
just to be fair to the truth
Men are also SUBS, and SLAVES
(remember Angelina Jolie in Mr. and Mrs. Smith)
First off your "article" is filled with falsehoods. The "person" you speak of has nothing to do with BDSM and it WILL be proven that your good friend made up and promoted this falsehood to harm the other person and that you knowingly continue to promote this falsehood will probably see you held accountable as well. The "person" you are speaking of simply said she lets her husband control the family decisions. It's that way in many homes today. Every muslim household in the world also finds itself played out this way. So, are you down on Muslims also? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?? It isn't something that I myself would choose to do, that is to be submissive to my husband and let him control all things. But, many women do and it does say in the Bible that a woman should defer to her husband. Rose nor Ken are into BDSM. The website that you so openly promote as being so, is nothing more than a fantasy website with some art work done by an artist whom they call a friend and support. Yes, there is a warning because it does contain adult content. Don't want any children stumbling on to it. HOWEVER, that adult content is nothing more than some nude or partial nude paintings that when hanging on the walls of a gallery would be called art. PORN in case you don't know is a lot different from just a nude body or do you consider, when looking in the mirror at your body or your husbands body, that you are in fact looking at or creating porn? Ridiculous!!!
I'm thinking you, as well as your friends may be held accountable for the false and outright promotion of said falsehood to ruin a womans reputation because she doesn't support Virgie or her useless quest to gain access to what she sees as her future access to any money her daughter may have left behind. I would suggest doing a little more thorough homework about said site before you continue to dig the whole deeper.
I believe they see it. If it is their pride admitting their wrong or that they finally have been accepted by their online friends thats stopping them,whatever it is they need to open their eyes.
so which is it? Is that her site with the writings and articles or not?
Someone posted that they think not.
Yes those are all her writings on atruerose website.
cajunrose = rose = rose speaks
We will even start a little place that everyone can add their links that they have found.
There are so many that have been deleted, just in the last few days.
Ken and her met online, I gathered.
KEN = stormdncr
KEN = ROSE SPEAKS
I don't know why you are so scared to go look at any of the links provided to you on topix.
ATR is (maybe has been deleted since) a little icon ppicture on her website that if you click on it, it will take you to her a true rose websites.
If you look further inside you will see hindreds of postings by cajunrose...rose... your rose.
just google cajunrose bdsm...see what ya come up with.
:)
I have read some of the links. The 'know it all' poster seems to have only looked at the main page that rose points out to them.
First off your "article" is filled with falsehoods. The "person" you speak of has nothing to do with BDSM and it WILL be proven that your good friend made up and promoted this falsehood to harm the other person and that you knowingly continue to promote this falsehood will probably see you held accountable as well. The "person" you are speaking of simply said she lets her husband control the family decisions. It's that way in many homes today. Every muslim household in the world also finds itself played out this way. So, are you down on Muslims also? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?? It isn't something that I myself would choose to do, that is to be submissive to my husband and let him control all things. But, many women do and it does say in the Bible that a woman should defer to her husband. Rose nor Ken are into BDSM. The website that you so openly promote as being so, is nothing more than a fantasy website with some art work done by an artist whom they call a friend and support. Yes, there is a warning because it does contain adult content. Don't want any children stumbling on to it. HOWEVER, that adult content is nothing more than some nude or partial nude paintings that when hanging on the walls of a gallery would be called art. PORN in case you don't know is a lot different from just a nude body or do you consider, when looking in the mirror at your body or your husbands body, that you are in fact looking at or creating porn? Ridiculous!!!
I'm thinking you, as well as your friends may be held accountable for the false and outright promotion of said falsehood to ruin a womans reputation because she doesn't support Virgie or her useless quest to gain access to what she sees as her future access to any money her daughter may have left behind. I would suggest doing a little more thorough homework about said site before you continue to dig the whole deeper.
The person you "speak Of' name is not metioned here.
If you want to sue people for false hoods than the person You "Speak of" would get her ass sued off! She has not written a word of truth since she started her site.
Now scram and go back to your site.
Another Sternoid threatening to sue.
That's a novelty.
If we had a dollar for every time you guys did that why we could pay for all of Rose, Ken, Lyndal and Butterfly's legal bills or
we could save our hard earned cash and have a hell of a party.
Maybe we should take a vote on that.
I vote for the PARTY!!!!!!!! I prefer to not pay for evil doings, and I already have to pay taxes!!!!
Party sounds good to me.
I'll bring the cocktail weiners.
I just wanted to post that since TMZ won't let us. LOL
i SUGGEST THE WEB OWNER OF THIS SITE GO DIRECTLY TO A MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTION FOR AN EVALUATION. L-O-O-N-E-Y. NO REALLY, DO YOU HAVE A JOB. THIS IS PATHETIC GARBAGE ON HERE WITH A BUNCH OF SICKO FOLLOWERS LIKE THE CULT THE KIDS WERE TAKEN FROM. GET A LIFE FOR REAL
Sometimes Masters keep their slaves in cages......wire cages like you would keep a dog....well maybe a rabid dog...
Its America, Mr. Wood hasn't taken away our rights of free speach....
What makes you unable to click the red button, instead of leaving your slime??????????
This is powerful I enjoyed reading it a second time. Thank you.
what's the deal with the plug stuff? is that somewhere that can be read.
A lot of strength and empowerment. Good to read it again. Thank you for your work.
First off your "article" is filled with falsehoods. The "person" you speak of has nothing to do with BDSM and it WILL be proven that your good friend made up and promoted this falsehood to harm the other person and that you knowingly continue to promote this falsehood will probably see you held accountable as well.
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I must reply to this poster. Honey wake up. The woman and couple in question have long admitted their lifestyle and are proud of it. Have you been around very long? I can show you some articles from her site where she talks about it freely and chastises me for even mentioning it to HKS attorneys over a year ago. Get with the program lady. The are and they do. You can not argue with their own words.
WOW! Want to thank Kerry and Einy for a job well done. You have people sitting up and paying attention, especially since other cases dealing with religion have come to the forefront in TX...
Sure hope TX doesn't go the way of Ca.
HI Strawn Texas, I hope you got what you came looking for.
:)
I think I read on one of those links that was the valentine post to Storm that she taught him about spanking. Still haven't seen the other one some read.
WOW!! Excellent job and Great article~ Texas
So I am confused. What does this have to do with ANYTHING?
It's Christian "tenets," not Christian "tenants."
Hoo, boy! This Nelda proves herself a laughingstock every time she opens her mouth. BDSM is a form of fetishism. Last I heard, the US Constitution does not protect the rights of an individual to practice sexual fetishism. BDSM is no more a "lifestyle" than wearing diapers in order to achieve sexual arousal (right, Howard?).
In all their variations, fetishists are only able to become sexually stimulated through the use of objects (fetishes) and behaviors (objectifying) during sex or foreplay. In other words, standard, run of the mill sexual attraction between two people isn't enough.
BDSM involves all kinds of objects and objectifying behaviors. Ropes for tying, chains for confining, humiliation, control, submission, desperation and servitude. But they're only used for a heightened sexual experience. When the behavior extends beyond the bedroom, then it's a protracted form of foreplay.
Nelda is, in fact, saying that she should not be denied all the rights and privileges of the Constitution simply because she's into BDSM. She feels that everyone who has a "normal" sex drive is protected, then why shouldn't she?
Nelda has put her sexuality before everything else (which is typical of fetishists). Nelda IS protected under the Constitution, just like everyone else, but sexuality has nothing to do with it. She's protected because she's a US citizen, nothing more.
But it appears Nelda is making an argument that she is LESS protected than everyone else because she needs to be humiliated during sex in order to achieve an orgasm.
Poor Nelda. In her mind, she is always the victim. The whole world is wrong and she's the one who has to suffer for it.
At one time, Nelda would have been a fascinating study. What happened to her during her development to cause her to become such an anomaly? But not anymore. In a world where we have to contend with the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and other sexual deviants, Nelda just doesn't seem all that important anymore.
DWAU
DWAU,
If you are around we are over here
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/anna-nicole-smith/TMKSS1VUOPFBHNU2K/p2963
Can you go to the bannedsisters@comcast.net and leave me your email.
I want to talk to you.
Thanks love ya, Kerry
Yawn, more feminist crap from Einy.
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